Awesome points all the way around, damn the man!!! make cars that run THC the at least then the output would just be happy people with the munchies!!! LOL all joking aside, the real issue should be environmental, the impact that these giant gas guzzling vehicles have the environment as a whole, not just the output of carbons, but also what it takes to get the mass quantities of fuel needed to keep these things on the go. The initial drilling, and digging, and deformation of the natural landscape as it has been for hundreds of thousands of years, just to tap a well into the pristine wilderness of lets say, Alaska, when bush opened the national parks to the drilling companies, with out heavy restrictions placed, and replacement initiatives the oil company just go in and strip away the vestiges of nature and create barren pockets, once the wells run drive they leave behind any equipment, and buildings that they don't deem worthy of taking on to the next site of destruction. no one really wants to live there, except the wildlife that have inhabited that location forever, and who are now displaced causing further issues, such as clashes with man, and overcrowding of areas that once were not by the various species. Its all a waterfall effect, and as they say in big business shit roles down hill, lets just hope we don't end up buried to our chins in it with out a shovel...

and it's mostly all peter... lol...

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never..........this post will grow like an old turtle.......... i just bought some phospure, chemi pure elite, filter bags, 300 watt heater, jungle lab test strips,and a new 50/50 pc bulb......... adding another 150 bucks to my 3k tank........ good lord......... its never ending........ i wonder if i can insure it........lol