getting started and need help!!!
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maritzio - Posts: 8
- Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:36 pm
you have to break it down for me alittle better. alot of what your saying doesnt make sense to me. i need a detailed breakdown. remember i am just getting started. its all new to me.
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amadeo - Posts: 35
- Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:03 pm
i hope with this message i am not spamming . but as i am reentering the hobby i am very excited . please bare with me. to the subject at hand . i just purchased my aquael tank and i do not want to drill any holes in it. it was expensive and i dont want to ruin it.
that said cant i buy a decent ( that being expensive )aquael external mechanical filter with a uv light inside that would do the same job as the sump . i mean will i be missing out on much . + i already have a aquac protien skimmer )
with the 60 kg of live rock . and i plan later to get a chiller as our country is hot actually boiling hot .and the chiller is expensive its about the same price as the tank 800 $ but it is a necessity here.
with all that do i need a sump ?
that said cant i buy a decent ( that being expensive )aquael external mechanical filter with a uv light inside that would do the same job as the sump . i mean will i be missing out on much . + i already have a aquac protien skimmer )
with the 60 kg of live rock . and i plan later to get a chiller as our country is hot actually boiling hot .and the chiller is expensive its about the same price as the tank 800 $ but it is a necessity here.
with all that do i need a sump ?
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Snowboss4492 - Posts: 2098
- Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:24 pm
sumps are not a necesity at all....but more so a choice and a style of filtration that works well especially in a reef environment...........other than choice ...one of the biggest benifiets of a sump is you simply don't see any of the stuff.....it's all hidden undernieth in the cabinet..........
there are very good canister filters that are hidden as well....there are very good HOB {hang on back } style filters as well - -
with good water movement your live rock will be great biological filtration - - in which case a couple good HOB filters will be great for mechanical filtration...........does you skimmer hang on the tank? if so thats fine too....
personally I think you need more live rock in there unless your doing a FOWLR tank {fish only with live rock} as oposed to a reef {in a reef you'll want 1-2 pounds of rock per gallon} as the filtration requirements in a reef system are much more critacal.........
As far as UV sterilzers go....I don't have one and have read that they can do more damage than good on a new tank.....but when the tank is mature and the light is sized correctly they are incredable....I would push for the chiller if you need one ....before spending the cash on a uv light....just my opinion......
Welcome back to the hobby my friend!!!!!!, Snowboss
PS....i just reread your post and i wanted to add......"expensive" doesn't mean good in any way shape or form ....there a really costly pieces of crap out there and pretty cheap bullet proof systems as well . . . . I am NOT saying your aquael filter will be crap at all im just stateing the fact that lots of money doesn't always mean good stuff...you know? - - shop around there are good deals and good equipment out there .....and if your happy with your present brand and it does what you want it too....well then its a good deal ...lol
there are very good canister filters that are hidden as well....there are very good HOB {hang on back } style filters as well - -
with good water movement your live rock will be great biological filtration - - in which case a couple good HOB filters will be great for mechanical filtration...........does you skimmer hang on the tank? if so thats fine too....
personally I think you need more live rock in there unless your doing a FOWLR tank {fish only with live rock} as oposed to a reef {in a reef you'll want 1-2 pounds of rock per gallon} as the filtration requirements in a reef system are much more critacal.........
As far as UV sterilzers go....I don't have one and have read that they can do more damage than good on a new tank.....but when the tank is mature and the light is sized correctly they are incredable....I would push for the chiller if you need one ....before spending the cash on a uv light....just my opinion......
Welcome back to the hobby my friend!!!!!!, Snowboss
PS....i just reread your post and i wanted to add......"expensive" doesn't mean good in any way shape or form ....there a really costly pieces of crap out there and pretty cheap bullet proof systems as well . . . . I am NOT saying your aquael filter will be crap at all im just stateing the fact that lots of money doesn't always mean good stuff...you know? - - shop around there are good deals and good equipment out there .....and if your happy with your present brand and it does what you want it too....well then its a good deal ...lol
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Snowboss4492 - Posts: 2098
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Maritzio,
sorry for throwing so much info at you all at once..........
ok ...what have you decided to do? did you buy a tank with ports drilled already ...or are you going to drill it...or are you going in another direction all together......
I'll keep the questions and responses to a minimum per post so we all stay on the same page.....Boss
sorry for throwing so much info at you all at once..........
ok ...what have you decided to do? did you buy a tank with ports drilled already ...or are you going to drill it...or are you going in another direction all together......
I'll keep the questions and responses to a minimum per post so we all stay on the same page.....Boss
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amadeo - Posts: 35
- Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:03 pm
boss thnks for the time and advise appreciate it. your right on the expensive part . expensive doesnt always mean better . but i lv to research and i lv the brand aquael they are poland brand name and i trust them the down side is in kuwait their products are expensive . another brand name i lv and previously owned on my grave tank RIP was the aquac remora skimmer. like i said some time brand names are guaranteed and last plus quality and have spare parts... like fluval for example.
so as for sump vs filter .it wont be novice of me just to plug in a mechanical filter.filter it is . and yes i have the skimmer hanging in the back and the filter tucked in the cabinet . i am a neat person :)
finaly no it wont be a fowlr tank it will hopefully be home to corals and reefs and fish and shrimps and snails and i have to have a lion fish as well there has to be a king there to keep things in natures way .keep the fish in line. hopefully not eat anything ..i read there bad for the corals but in a shop i go to it swims peacfully so will say ...any way looooong way to go before that ever happens but its nice to dream ...thanks boss
so as for sump vs filter .it wont be novice of me just to plug in a mechanical filter.filter it is . and yes i have the skimmer hanging in the back and the filter tucked in the cabinet . i am a neat person :)
finaly no it wont be a fowlr tank it will hopefully be home to corals and reefs and fish and shrimps and snails and i have to have a lion fish as well there has to be a king there to keep things in natures way .keep the fish in line. hopefully not eat anything ..i read there bad for the corals but in a shop i go to it swims peacfully so will say ...any way looooong way to go before that ever happens but its nice to dream ...thanks boss
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snowboss - Posts: 458
- Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:53 pm
aqua remora is a very trusted name here in the states as well....so you can't go wrong there....
no hanging a filter on the tank is not a novice move at all.....just a choice
Look on the Drs. Foster and Smith web site ...they have a filter system made by Rapids....all in one sump, with overflow box {that is pump controlled so you can't have an overflow during a power outage} skimmer is integrated and you can even buy the upgrade and have an automatic top off with it.....the full blown system runs about 300 US dollars.......you might want to run 2 sytems and one top off on your tank....so your looking at ,like 500-600 for a complete tight and clean filter system that will handle 600-700 gallons of water....I'm looking at them hard for a 480 gallon project tank I'm in the planing stages of right now........I love plug-n-play equipment. Snowboss
no hanging a filter on the tank is not a novice move at all.....just a choice
Look on the Drs. Foster and Smith web site ...they have a filter system made by Rapids....all in one sump, with overflow box {that is pump controlled so you can't have an overflow during a power outage} skimmer is integrated and you can even buy the upgrade and have an automatic top off with it.....the full blown system runs about 300 US dollars.......you might want to run 2 sytems and one top off on your tank....so your looking at ,like 500-600 for a complete tight and clean filter system that will handle 600-700 gallons of water....I'm looking at them hard for a 480 gallon project tank I'm in the planing stages of right now........I love plug-n-play equipment. Snowboss
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Patsquach - Posts: 2
- Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:21 pm
Wow alot of money just to get a sump under the tank. A small company out of California Call TRU-VUE Makes Over flow boxes that are fail proof, work on glass or acrillic and does not need to be primed when the power goes out. check them out . a lot less hassel and money. They also make awsome refugium sump filters. Its what I use in my systems. Over flow boxes are a dream for saltwater tanks think about it before you go crazy.
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Patsquach - Posts: 2
- Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:21 pm
Refugium sumps are must on any reef and or fish tank. It just makes it easier and more ecologically sound. I would do nothing less on any of my systems.